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First off, I'm a bagger. I was scheduled to work until 2:00 pm. It's 1:58, and I just get done bagging an order. I then start to help bag for another customer in a different lane. Now the time's 2:01. I see another bagger coming up front, so I leave and clock out. As I'm about to leave, the cashier tells me I shouldn't have left until I finished bagging the order.

My question is thus: Can they force me to stay over my scheduled time?



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I can't answer your question but it's common courtesy to finish bagging an order before leaving.

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If you'll be going 7 minutes past an 8-hour shift, then LEAVE.


If it's less than that, try to wrap up the order quick.

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Thanks for the replies guys, but, why should I have to stay 7 minutes past my shift? It's not like I'll get paid for it. Plus, I usually have plans, and don't have time to stay past my shift anyways.

Can someone give me an official answer as to whether a supervisor can keep you past your shift? In my opinion, it's stealing time-MY time.



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Finish what you start. Don't start something you can't finish. At 1:58 i would have clocked out.



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At 1:58 I wouldn't have started another order, I would have used that time to walk to walk to the time clock to punch out.


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Since you'd already started the order I think you should have finished it, then clocked out.

If you're in another department you have to finish dealing with a customer. If I'm closing, and someone wants to order a cake at 8:58, I can't stop them at 9:00 if they haven't finished and say NOPE YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TOMORROW!

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Since you'd already started the order I think you should have finished it, then clocked out.

If you're in another department you have to finish dealing with a customer. If I'm closing, and someone wants to order a cake at 8:58, I can't stop them at 9:00 if they haven't finished and say NOPE YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TOMORROW!


Lesson learned: When it's 7 minutes to closing, finish your last order then run away. Otherwise, Kroger will steal time from you. I got it.



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Thanks for the replies guys, but, why should I have to stay 7 minutes past my shift? It's not like I'll get paid for it. Plus, I usually have plans, and don't have time to stay past my shift anyways.

Can someone give me an official answer as to whether a supervisor can keep you past your shift? In my opinion, it's stealing time-MY time.


 It depends on your contract.    Our contract states that a supervisor can  force us to stay if they tell us an hour before the end of our shift.  If we leave, it is considered job abandonment and we will be fired.  Our store manager is cool and has only forced front end and other departments to stay once because her Big Wig boss wanted certain tasks in the grocery department fixed on the double ASAP.  I like the overtime so I am always volunteering for extra hours.

A supervisor cannot force you to stay past your shift for that incident.  But, it could cause unwanted attention to yourself if you walk out.  Like, less hours, extra cart duties in the snow and rain, front end window cleaning, front end dusting and the manager looking for any reason in the book to terminate you.  The goal is to "stay under the radar."  Also, you could be denied a requested day off so you can go to that Justin Beaver concert with your gf.

I realize you are young and need a social life.  Definitely make time for it.  But not staying an extra 7- 15 minutes when requested doesn't speak very well of your work ethic.  If you have a doctors appointment, that is different.  Politely excuse yourself to the cashier tho.   

Kroger is a customer based business.  If we don't have happy customers, the store closes and we don't get paid.  I vote on businesses with my money.  If they tick me off, I do not return.  I very rarely shop at Walmart(long lines with few registers open) or Home Depot(no customer acknowledgement or assistance) for that reason.

If you have a good rapor with your ACSM, ask them what you should have done.  If a supervisor asks you to stay, they are responsible for the extra time you stayed.

Jobs are competitive.  If you want an edge over co workers, make time to go the extra mile and stay until you are relieved.



-- Edited by Anonymouse1 on Monday 21st of July 2014 06:31:56 PM

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Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for the replies guys, but, why should I have to stay 7 minutes past my shift? It's not like I'll get paid for it. Plus, I usually have plans, and don't have time to stay past my shift anyways.

Can someone give me an official answer as to whether a supervisor can keep you past your shift? In my opinion, it's stealing time-MY time.


 

You don't HAVE to stay seven minutes past. That's only if you've already started an order that goes past the end of your shift.

 

 

Besides, if asked to stay late, it's often done so in a way that it'll be recorded, like 15 minute increments. But at the same time, would seven minutes really kill you? That's barely a few cents that'll be garnished by SS and Medicare.



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Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for the replies guys, but, why should I have to stay 7 minutes past my shift? It's not like I'll get paid for it. Plus, I usually have plans, and don't have time to stay past my shift anyways.

Can someone give me an official answer as to whether a supervisor can keep you past your shift? In my opinion, it's stealing time-MY time.


 It depends on your contract.    Our contract states that a supervisor can  force us to stay if they tell us an hour before the end of our shift.  If we leave, it is considered job abandonment and we will be fired.  Our store manager is cool and has only forced front end and other departments to stay once because her Big Wig boss wanted certain tasks in the grocery department fixed on the double ASAP.  I like the overtime so I am always volunteering for extra hours.

A supervisor cannot force you to stay past your shift for that incident.  But, it could cause unwanted attention to yourself if you walk out.  Like, less hours, extra cart duties in the snow and rain, front end window cleaning, front end dusting and the manager looking for any reason in the book to terminate you.  The goal is to "stay under the radar."  Also, you could be denied a requested day off so you can go to that Justin Beaver concert with your gf.

I realize you are young and need a social life.  Definitely make time for it.  But not staying an extra 7- 15 minutes when requested doesn't speak very well of your work ethic.  If you have a doctors appointment, that is different.  Politely excuse yourself to the cashier tho.   

Kroger is a customer based business.  If we don't have happy customers, the store closes and we don't get paid.  I vote on businesses with my money.  If they tick me off, I do not return.  I very rarely shop at Walmart(long lines with few registers open) or Home Depot(no customer acknowledgement or assistance) for that reason.

If you have a good rapor with your ACSM, ask them what you should have done.  If a supervisor asks you to stay, they are responsible for the extra time you stayed.

Jobs are competitive.  If you want an edge over co workers, make time to go the extra mile and stay until you are relieved.



-- Edited by Anonymouse1 on Monday 21st of July 2014 06:31:56 PM


I was never asked to stay, I'm not as young as you make me out to be, I have no problem with doing any kind of work as long as I get paid and it's not against the contract, I don't like Beiber, and requested days off/hours are based off of seniority. Besides for your bad assumptions, I thank-you for your time.

Just wanna make sure though. Is mouse correct that I could not get in trouble? More insight would be appreciated.



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I was never asked to stay, I'm not as young as you make me out to be, I have no problem with doing any kind of work as long as I get paid and it's not against the contract, I don't like Beiber, and requested days off/hours are based off of seniority. Besides for your bad assumptions, I thank-you for your time.

Just wanna make sure though. Is mouse correct that I could not get in trouble? More insight would be appreciated.


 I apologize for wrong assumptions.  I based age on your comment about, " them stealing your time".  That sounds childish and like you don't understand the game of life, ethics and character.  This is not meant to demeanor you.  Again, my apologies.

Your requests can be denied and the Eschedule can be overridden.  If the schedule writer is on top of things, they can make it so you can't grieve it.

You getting in trouble depends on your contract.  Mine specifically states that I must be asked an hour before the end of my shift.

I like the OT and extra hours.  That is why I banked almost same income as a part timer than the comanagers last year.



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I was never asked to stay, I'm not as young as you make me out to be, I have no problem with doing any kind of work as long as I get paid and it's not against the contract, I don't like Beiber, and requested days off/hours are based off of seniority. Besides for your bad assumptions, I thank-you for your time.

Just wanna make sure though. Is mouse correct that I could not get in trouble? More insight would be appreciated.


 I apologize for wrong assumptions.  I based age on your comment about, " them stealing your time".  That sounds childish and like you don't understand the game of life, ethics and character.  This is not meant to demeanor you.  Again, my apologies.

Your requests can be denied and the Eschedule can be overridden.  If the schedule writer is on top of things, they can make it so you can't grieve it.

You getting in trouble depends on your contract.  Mine specifically states that I must be asked an hour before the end of my shift.

I like the OT and extra hours.  That is why I banked almost same income as a part timer than the comanagers last year.


Nah, the "stealing time" comment was mostly in jest. I just hear the phrase used a lot by management/supervisors to try and get people in trouble. That and "insubordination."

As for requests, sure, they can be denied, BUT, seniority still prevails. Then again, it might matter more depending on your contract and if it specifically states if seniority allows for either daily or weekly schedules. My contract reads "daily." As for e-schedule being overwritten, sure, they could do that. Even then, seniority still prevails. Plus, they have to NOT be lazy in order to make the schedule in a way so you can't use your seniority. At least where I work, no one wants to take time out to properly do the schedules anyways.



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Well at our store we have people who are chronically late, and maybe even a no show.
Instead of a supervisor confronting the late/no show person, they've made up a rule where
you can't leave until 'your relief' gets here !
I cry foal, I always arrive on time and I expect to leave on time, and yes a few minutes is a big deal to me.



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Well at our store we have people who are chronically late, and maybe even a no show.
Instead of a supervisor confronting the late/no show person, they've made up a rule where
you can't leave until 'your relief' gets here !
I cry foal, I always arrive on time and I expect to leave on time, and yes a few minutes is a big deal to me.


That's EXACTLY what I was told when I was leaving the store. They told me you can't leave until someone relieves you. Quite frankly, when my shift's over with, I'm gone. I'm not staying to help bag groceries if I'm not getting paid to do it.



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Basically in anything you do, make sure the customer is your motivation for doing it. Not a single manager in the right mind will punish someone for staying an extra few minutes on OT to bag an order to make sure a customer feels welcome and cared for.



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Thanks for the replies guys, but, why should I have to stay 7 minutes past my shift? It's not like I'll get paid for it. Plus, I usually have plans, and don't have time to stay past my shift anyways.

Can someone give me an official answer as to whether a supervisor can keep you past your shift? In my opinion, it's stealing time-MY time.


 

You don't HAVE to stay seven minutes past. That's only if you've already started an order that goes past the end of your shift.

 

 

Besides, if asked to stay late, it's often done so in a way that it'll be recorded, like 15 minute increments. But at the same time, would seven minutes really kill you? That's barely a few cents that'll be garnished by SS and Medicare.


 

 

As a courtesy clerk I will usually tell the cashier that I am about to go on 'lot duty or about to clock out at the end of my shift.

The reaction varies by cashier, of course, but nine times out of ten they are okay with it. They appreciate me letting them know rather than me just walking off and there's two or more customers waiting in line for check-out. Even if it means they as a cashier have to join the customer in bagging, at least they know why I left and that I had a legitimate reason for walking away. I find it goes easier that way.



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Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for the replies guys, but, why should I have to stay 7 minutes past my shift? It's not like I'll get paid for it. Plus, I usually have plans, and don't have time to stay past my shift anyways.

Can someone give me an official answer as to whether a supervisor can keep you past your shift? In my opinion, it's stealing time-MY time.


 

You don't HAVE to stay seven minutes past. That's only if you've already started an order that goes past the end of your shift.

 

 

Besides, if asked to stay late, it's often done so in a way that it'll be recorded, like 15 minute increments. But at the same time, would seven minutes really kill you? That's barely a few cents that'll be garnished by SS and Medicare.


 

 

As a courtesy clerk I will usually tell the cashier that I am about to go on 'lot duty or about to clock out at the end of my shift.

The reaction varies by cashier, of course, but nine times out of ten they are okay with it. They appreciate me letting them know rather than me just walking off and there's two or more customers waiting in line for check-out. Even if it means they as a cashier have to join the customer in bagging, at least they know why I left and that I had a legitimate reason for walking away. I find it goes easier that way.


 

Of course, I understand that quite well. I always make a point to ask my bagger what time he/she leaves so I'll know when to request for a replacement.

 

I was just saying that a minute past won't kill anyone.



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Well at our store we have people who are chronically late, and maybe even a no show.
Instead of a supervisor confronting the late/no show person, they've made up a rule where
you can't leave until 'your relief' gets here !
I cry foal, I always arrive on time and I expect to leave on time, and yes a few minutes is a big deal to me.


 Foul.  A foal is a baby horse.



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Thanks for the replies guys, but, why should I have to stay 7 minutes past my shift? It's not like I'll get paid for it. Plus, I usually have plans, and don't have time to stay past my shift anyways.

Can someone give me an official answer as to whether a supervisor can keep you past your shift? In my opinion, it's stealing time-MY time.


 It works both ways.  If you stay 8 minutes or more past your shift, you get paid an extra 15 minutes.  So you're being paid for 7 minutes of work you didn't actually do.



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I only stay over, IF I feel like it and IF I'm in a good mood, and IF they ask me WELL in advance. An hour before my shift is done is pushing it. I could sometimes use more money but sometimes I just don't feel like it y'know?

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I only stay over, IF I feel like it and IF I'm in a good mood, and IF they ask me WELL in advance. An hour before my shift is done is pushing it. I could sometimes use more money but sometimes I just don't feel like it y'know?


 Yea. Especially when the FES is itching to put you on an express lane or lot duty for the whole extension. 



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Ok but how much longer would it have taken to finish the order? If it was a $1000 order that would take 15 minutes to complete, fine.

If it was an order that would have taken another 60 seconds to complete, i don't see the big deal.

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I've stayed the extra 60 seconds to complete an order. After that order I said my goodbyes and left. Yes, I know we're STILL expected to offer carryouts, but if the next person doesn't come in, does that mean the person takes out their own groceries? We've had baggers do just that. Leave right after the order is bagged despite a carry out needed. They didn't even ask.

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I've stayed the extra 60 seconds to complete an order. After that order I said my goodbyes and left. Yes, I know we're STILL expected to offer carryouts, but if the next person doesn't come in, does that mean the person takes out their own groceries? We've had baggers do just that. Leave right after the order is bagged despite a carry out needed. They didn't even ask.


 

Unless you can find a replacement in like 15-20 seconds, you'd best be doing the carryout on your own. All it'll take is for one customer to raise hell about "not being helped" before management will come down on your ass for "insubordination".

 

 

Seen it happen before. Except the bagger just didn't hear the customer ask for a carry-out and left to go get carts off the lot. The customer was furious and demanded that she talk to the main store manager.



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Well at our store we have people who are chronically late, and maybe even a no show.
Instead of a supervisor confronting the late/no show person, they've made up a rule where
you can't leave until 'your relief' gets here !
I cry foal, I always arrive on time and I expect to leave on time, and yes a few minutes is a big deal to me.


 Foul.  A foal is a baby horse.


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I have a bagger who will tell me he's "gone" and about to clock out when I'll check the wall clock, which runs two minutes fast, and it'll still show he has 5 minutes in his shift put the two extra.  I'll tell him no, you've still got 5 minutes.  

he'll get annoyed but i'm not letting him leave early and get paid for time he didn't work when it's hard enough to get him to work when he's there.



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we've had dept heads and management give people the you can't leave until your relief arrives line.  i'll never ask anybody to stay more than a few minutes unless i have fair warning and say your relief is 15 minutes, 30 minutes out can you stay?  but if i know they have to catch their bus, i'll let them go even if i'm screwed over. 

plus we all know people who won't stay even a minute too long even if they came in late and should stay longer to make up their time.  almost no one stays to make up their time.  i like it when my relief is late and bitches at me for wanting them to hurry up so i can go home. 



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we've had dept heads and management give people the you can't leave until your relief arrives line.  i'll never ask anybody to stay more than a few minutes unless i have fair warning and say your relief is 15 minutes, 30 minutes out can you stay?  but if i know they have to catch their bus, i'll let them go even if i'm screwed over. 

plus we all know people who won't stay even a minute too long even if they came in late and should stay longer to make up their time.  almost no one stays to make up their time.  i like it when my relief is late and bitches at me for wanting them to hurry up so i can go home. 


 You seem like a very cool manager; our approaches are very similar. I've gotten a lot more success with 'please' and 'thank you' than the whip cracker attack.



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I don't know about Kroger's front-end policy since I don't work up there, but I would have finished the order and then leave. Your relief was there anyway, so you were almost out on time. I was a cashier for two years at a grocery place that often made us stay three hours after our shift ended. It was awful, but what can we say? "No"? We all needed the job and money.



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