So after I got off lunch I was pulled into management office. Our 2nd ASM proceeded to bitch me out for vaping in MY car! Uhh, excuse YOU... But
1. I was on lunch. MY time. NOT yours.
2. I was in MY car. MY personal property.
3. As long as I'm not using cannabis oil, have weapons, drinking, or engaging in lewd actions with my girlfriend or myself, what I do is MY business. NOT yours. So you WILL stay out of my affairs.
4. The juice I am running is 0% nicotine. Not that it's any concern of yours.
2nd ASM writes me up. I refuse to sign, so they send me home. Fine. Whatever. So I have the next 3 days off to "reflect and think it over."
i didn't see anything in the handbook stating I can't use my vape pen. Just smoking is allowed in designated areas only. Well, I designate my car as a "smoking" zone.
Somebody must have it out for you. They'll try to claim you were parked on company property and therefore subject to the rules. Don't know how it will hold up.
They didn't have me sign suspension papers, so technically no. But if they try and say it was, I want them to point out the rule that says No Smoking at anytime in the rulebook. Also me being on lunch will play into my favor. I can even show them my juice bottle and pen setup.
Two things: Yes, it appears you have a mark on your back in the shape of a target (and not the one you shop in).....I would tread extremely lightly from here on, if it were me. You may or may not be able to turn things around, given the history you've posted re your run ins (which I've always found pretty entertaining and inspiring---you've definitely got back bone!).
Second: The laws all across the board pertaining to E cigs are woefully vague at best; incomplete at worst. I would TACTFULLY use that as part of my defense. Best of luck~~
I wouldn't have gone home. They have to have a legitimate disciplinary reason to send you home, and doing something they haven't told you not to do, isn't reasonably expected of you, and that they can't require you to do in the first place? Not a legitimate reason. How could they discipline you? Your response to anything they put on paper would be "I failed to follow directions they had no right to give me" which trumps anything they could say unless they lied.
When I'm on lunch, my uniform comes off. It also does during breaks.
And I did go home because I was beyond pissed. I've been pissed off before and I stuck it out. But beyond pissed means I need to leave before I do or say something I'll regret. It takes ALOT for me to get beyond pissed off. But being literally bitched at when I did no wrong speeds up the process
I thought any place outside the store was ok to smoke, as long as it is 20 feet away from customers and the store.
Most state laws are like 50-100+ feet from the building, but I think a Kroger exec pushed it to 500 feet.
How the hell is that going to work? Most Kroger managers I know smoke, and 90% of them smoke out the back receiving doors. Catch one of them on a personal camera covertly and have that with you in a grievance meeting. If it's good for the goose and what not.
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I thought any place outside the store was ok to smoke, as long as it is 20 feet away from customers and the store.
Most state laws are like 50-100+ feet from the building, but I think a Kroger exec pushed it to 500 feet.
How the hell is that going to work? Most Kroger managers I know smoke, and 90% of them smoke out the back receiving doors. Catch one of them on a personal camera covertly and have that with you in a grievance meeting. If it's good for the goose and what not.
Well it doesn't work. My managers smoke outside by the receiving dock all day and they're breaking state law. I'm fine with it though because it means that they can't bother my ass if they're out there.
People smoke at the break table all the time. I believe someone has a hard time accepting that people actually smoke in real life. That being said I hate smoking and this new fake cigarette stuff. it looks tacky and is in horrible taste. However, it's not illegal.
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Update: welp, I spoke to management today along with ASM who bitched me out. I explained I was on my lunch in my car vaping and got reamed out. I even showed management my pen and showed them the kind of juice I use. 0% nicotine. I also stated I wanted to see the rule in which we are not allowed to smoke/vape in out own cars on lunch/break. There was none. Turns out ASM WAD wrong, and top it off, is new. So ASM apologized. Then she asks if I have anything to say. Me, a many of you know can be an ass, calmly says, "Thank you for taking the time out to listen to me." ASM was staring and finally says ..."ok...."
I leave. And to be safe we had a fellow employee in there as a fair witness. As I was leaving he says " I think they wanted you to apologize as well." I merely shrug.
I did not need to apologize. IF I am wrong I will. If not, then you get no apology from me.
Update: welp, I spoke to management today along with ASM who bitched me out. I explained I was on my lunch in my car vaping and got reamed out. I even showed management my pen and showed them the kind of juice I use. 0% nicotine. I also stated I wanted to see the rule in which we are not allowed to smoke/vape in out own cars on lunch/break. There was none. Turns out ASM WAD wrong, and top it off, is new. So ASM apologized. Then she asks if I have anything to say. Me, a many of you know can be an ass, calmly says, "Thank you for taking the time out to listen to me." ASM was staring and finally says ..."ok...."
I leave. And to be safe we had a fellow employee in there as a fair witness. As I was leaving he says " I think they wanted you to apologize as well." I merely shrug.
I did not need to apologize. IF I am wrong I will. If not, then you get no apology from me.
This is YOU! .......Love it!
-- Edited by nocturnia on Monday 20th of October 2014 06:51:28 PM
Update: welp, I spoke to management today along with ASM who bitched me out. I explained I was on my lunch in my car vaping and got reamed out. I even showed management my pen and showed them the kind of juice I use. 0% nicotine. I also stated I wanted to see the rule in which we are not allowed to smoke/vape in out own cars on lunch/break. There was none. Turns out ASM WAD wrong, and top it off, is new. So ASM apologized. Then she asks if I have anything to say. Me, a many of you know can be an ass, calmly says, "Thank you for taking the time out to listen to me." ASM was staring and finally says ..."ok...."
I leave. And to be safe we had a fellow employee in there as a fair witness. As I was leaving he says " I think they wanted you to apologize as well." I merely shrug.
I did not need to apologize. IF I am wrong I will. If not, then you get no apology from me.
Hooooraaaaay! Surprised that they owned up to it. Don't know what it is about this company, but they go out of their way to coddle managers. You know she isn't going to get anything in her file either. Watch yourself, she will be looking to get payback.
Oh I know she is. But the way I figure it, I'm just gonna do as I'm told, and let her make an ass of herself. If I'm just a yes sir/ma'am no sir/ma'am then they can't do anything. I can understand if she's new, but that's no reason to bitch someone out like that.