OK so someone I know is getting wrote up for a no call no show for going on a fire run but the rub went out 2 hours before his shift he had no way of contacting his employer to notify of his absence the moment the run was over he called immediately to notify them and they write it up as a no call no show even though he had a eexcuses note from his superior is that fair what can the guy do to fight the wrong
I don't think there is much he can do. He didn't call, he didn't show. It's not that big of a deal, sign the write up, it goes off his record in 6 months. (That's how it is under my contract.)
What if he did show up right after he told me immediately after he was done he went in and called ahead of time and explainedhe told me that tthey said he can't work for that day
What if he did show up right after he told me immediately after he was done he went in and called ahead of time and explainedhe told me that tthey said he can't work for that day
It's great your friend wants to be a volunteer fire fighter and help the community but volunteering must be done on ones fre time and not time they are scheduled to work. The company and co workers are counting on him being on there for and on time for his scheduled times.
I have friends and family members who are volunteer fire fighters and know how it works, they sign up to cover times they are available, if you're available and can help cool.
Perhaps your friend can speak to then manager saying he was on a call and doing the community a service, and that it'll never happen again. However, if this continues to be a problem your friend is going to have to choose between volunteering and work as he won't last long if the same situation happens again because people are counting on him when he's scheduled to work and when he no calls no shows other people who have their own jobs to do have to pick up his slack.
What if he did show up right after he told me immediately after he was done he went in and called ahead of time and explainedhe told me that tthey said he can't work for that day
It's great your friend wants to be a volunteer fire fighter and help the community but volunteering must be done on ones fre time and not time they are scheduled to work. The company and co workers are counting on him being on there for and on time for his scheduled times.
I have friends and family members who are volunteer fire fighters and know how it works, they sign up to cover times they are available, if you're available and can help cool.
Perhaps your friend can speak to then manager saying he was on a call and doing the community a service, and that it'll never happen again. However, if this continues to be a problem your friend is going to have to choose between volunteering and work as he won't last long if the same situation happens again because people are counting on him when he's scheduled to work and when he no calls no shows other people who have their own jobs to do have to pick up his slack.
While it is nice that Kroger wants to butt in to a volunteer fire fighter's time, I would prefer to have that volunteer fire fighter at my location rather than see my house go up in flames.
What if he did show up right after he told me immediately after he was done he went in and called ahead of time and explainedhe told me that tthey said he can't work for that day
It's great your friend wants to be a volunteer fire fighter and help the community but volunteering must be done on ones fre time and not time they are scheduled to work. The company and co workers are counting on him being on there for and on time for his scheduled times.
I have friends and family members who are volunteer fire fighters and know how it works, they sign up to cover times they are available, if you're available and can help cool.
Perhaps your friend can speak to then manager saying he was on a call and doing the community a service, and that it'll never happen again. However, if this continues to be a problem your friend is going to have to choose between volunteering and work as he won't last long if the same situation happens again because people are counting on him when he's scheduled to work and when he no calls no shows other people who have their own jobs to do have to pick up his slack.
I don't think random house fires/arsons/whatever are willing to work around Kroger's schedule.
So how can a volunteer firefighter? If he's in a really small town, if they need him, they'd need him NOW.
This is going to sound terrible, but honestly, I wouldn't expect to be able to keep any job in the world if I had something else going on in my life that could and would force me to miss work without notice regularly. There's something called reliability, and it's necessary to keep a business running regardless of the reasons for the absenteeism.
That being said, if it's just one person I could see a manager making an exception as long as the person was part time and doing the least mission critical tasks. However, if this were to become the norm and more and more people had volunteer work, or anything like that I could definitely see that question being asked during an interview/on the application as that is a vital piece of information in determining if someone is fit to work there.
The fact that people are making this out to be a Kroger issue and not an issue of general common sense/business sense is a bit worrisome.
Volunteering is fantastic and a great thing to do, but is meant to be done on your free time, not when you are relied upon elsewhere. Now, if you have a job where your presence isn't vital and this isn't an issue, great! But taking a job that it would be, is really your own fault and shouldn't expect to be treated specially because of it.
This is going to sound terrible, but honestly, I wouldn't expect to be able to keep any job in the world if I had something else going on in my life that could and would force me to miss work without notice regularly. There's something called reliability, and it's necessary to keep a business running regardless of the reasons for the absenteeism.
That being said, if it's just one person I could see a manager making an exception as long as the person was part time and doing the least mission critical tasks. However, if this were to become the norm and more and more people had volunteer work, or anything like that I could definitely see that question being asked during an interview/on the application as that is a vital piece of information in determining if someone is fit to work there.
The fact that people are making this out to be a Kroger issue and not an issue of general common sense/business sense is a bit worrisome.
Volunteering is fantastic and a great thing to do, but is meant to be done on your free time, not when you are relied upon elsewhere. Now, if you have a job where your presence isn't vital and this isn't an issue, great! But taking a job that it would be, is really your own fault and shouldn't expect to be treated specially because of it.
This is going to sound terrible, but honestly, I wouldn't expect to be able to keep any job in the world if I had something else going on in my life that could and would force me to miss work without notice regularly. There's something called reliability, and it's necessary to keep a business running regardless of the reasons for the absenteeism.
That being said, if it's just one person I could see a manager making an exception as long as the person was part time and doing the least mission critical tasks. However, if this were to become the norm and more and more people had volunteer work, or anything like that I could definitely see that question being asked during an interview/on the application as that is a vital piece of information in determining if someone is fit to work there.
The fact that people are making this out to be a Kroger issue and not an issue of general common sense/business sense is a bit worrisome.
Volunteering is fantastic and a great thing to do, but is meant to be done on your free time, not when you are relied upon elsewhere. Now, if you have a job where your presence isn't vital and this isn't an issue, great! But taking a job that it would be, is really your own fault and shouldn't expect to be treated specially because of it.
Exactly, I know people who are volunteer fire fighters and they manage just fine keeping it on their time, days off, nights if you work days,,days if you work nights. It's fantastic you want to volunteer but it pisses me off when one of these volunteers expects special treatment - ability to no call no show, run out of work because there's a call. Why is my responsibility or anyone else's to have to do my job and cover yours because you want to "volunteer" during work hours?
Actually im wondering if it would follow under active duty similar to that of reserves in the contracts.
Military Reserves? No! That's a REAL leap! lol
Just to put the obvious out there, a volunteer firefighter volunteers his/her time... A Military Reservist doesn't have the same option and is given protection because they are given orders and have no say in it!
He tried to old in after his run and work we needed help but they sent him away but what they did was nothing they didn't call him up to the office e or anything for the past to days but most people don't see the fact that what he does is dangerous enough he could die at that moment of fighting fires no special treatment needed just respect of him taking the time to risk his live to save someone else or to protect someone belongings what if krogers caught fire who would they call cause I'm pretty sure no one else would know how to operate hoses
He tried to old in after his run and work we needed help but they sent him away but what they did was nothing they didn't call him up to the office e or anything for the past to days but most people don't see the fact that what he does is dangerous enough he could die at that moment of fighting fires no special treatment needed just respect of him taking the time to risk his live to save someone else or to protect someone belongings what if krogers caught fire who would they call cause I'm pretty sure no one else would know how to operate hoses
He might be the biggest hero in the world, I believe he risks his life, the sky is blue, rainy days make me sad... It doesn't matter none of this is has to do with his job.
What about National Guard? I always thought that National Guard duty trumps your job no matter what.
It does. Any type of military service trumps Kroger.
Kroger would disagree if they could. This company has no soul.
It does. We had one guy with the Marines on Reserves. And sometimes his superiors have him go on weeklong mission training or refresher courses in other states to keep him on his toes. Well, my store's old manager TRIED to write him up, when marine guy refused and laughed, it went straight to suspension pending termination. Wel, he got ahold of the union and his superiors and they put the manager in check. He was told ANY military service, automatically trumps ANY disciplinary write up or action. And that the job MUST be held for said persons when they come back from their duties. Meaning he MUST be reinstated and his regular rate of pay resuming.
It does. We had one guy with the Marines on Reserves. And sometimes his superiors have him go on weeklong mission training or refresher courses in other states to keep him on his toes. Well, my store's old manager TRIED to write him up, when marine guy refused and laughed, it went straight to suspension pending termination. Wel, he got ahold of the union and his superiors and they put the manager in check. He was told ANY military service, automatically trumps ANY disciplinary write up or action. And that the job MUST be held for said persons when they come back from their duties. Meaning he MUST be reinstated and his regular rate of pay resuming.
Yep, is it not only mentioned in our contract but it is also Federal Law. Very stiff penalties for not allowing employee to go on military leave. There is also a Federal law that allows military people to break rental leases without punishment when they are moved out of state.
Unfortunately, I don't think a volunteer fireman falls into that category.
It doesn't. With military it isn't voluntary once you register. Once you register, your theirs for the specific time you stated. Being given orders to move to a different state for a specific time is beyond your control.
Anyways, our manager who tried to write him up, the look on his face when both union and military guy's CO's told him the write up would be null and void; was one of being seriously pissed off, and disbelief. It only worsened when military guy grinned.
