Store 440 Stealing + Overtime Question

Date: Dec 15, 2013

Store 440 Stealing + Overtime Question

FU11307 · Guru

You make this sound like a bad thing. I wish more stores were like that.

Date: Dec 15, 2013

The worst thing you can do to an employer is steal. Especially in retail. The profit margins are small.

At our store, the managers' office is on a 2nd floor and they can look out a tinted window and watch the front end and some parts of the store. There are cameras in the store in random places. Video is saved on a hard drive.

I have known kids that have tried to steal beer. One tried to walk out the front door with "empty" boxes when they really had a 6 pack in them. Other kids have tried putting beer outside the back door next to the dumpster only to be caught by a manager. Another kid took his break, clocked back in from break, then went up stairs to continue another break while on the clock. These were all baggers.

It doesn't matter if it is a $1 candy bar or a $40 medicine. Stealing is stealing and it is wrong.

As for overtime. Federal law mandates anything over 40 hours in a week is to be paid overtime. You can file a complaint with the Wages and Commission department and get the pay.

Per our contract, the 7th day is to be paid as overtime even if it is under 40 hours the rest of the week. Our contract also allows us to be worked 6 days a week without overtime if the total hours are under 40. My Department manager is wanting to work us grunts for 28 hours in 6 days a week.

4hourrush · Guru

It is not worth losing your job over a $1 candy bar.

Never EVER steal any food.

My managers have no problem with us trying the samples we put out if it is with in reason. I've had a cookie here and there. But if you go around munching on the donuts we throw out at night, or anything like that, you can and will get caught eventually.

Date: Dec 16, 2013

440 is my store. o.O

FU11307 · Guru

Anonymous wrote:
440 is my store. o.O

It's a lot of people's stores.

Pizza1029 · Guru

The issue is not the thieves, it's Kroger not paying overtime. In which THEY would be thieves.

-- Edited by Pizza1029 on Monday 16th of December 2013 03:02:42 PM

FU11307 · Guru

Pizza1029 wrote:
The issue is not the thieves, it's Kroger not paying overtime. In which THEY would be thieves.

-- Edited by Pizza1029 on Monday 16th of December 2013 03:02:42 PM

Uh, but we don't know what contract we're talking about here. As long as they don't work them over 40 hours, they very may well be within their right to not give them overtime.

Anyhow, unless OP can prove it to the contrary, he or she is the wrong here. It's not okay to steal, and if it's not overtime, take it up with the crappy union.

Date: Dec 16, 2013

that's one way to thin the herd but damn i hope there's enough people left for the final stretch to christmas. i haven't noticed any stealing. the nearest i got was watching a cashier try to ring up his own candy bar and well a co-manager walking out with beer forgetting to hit 'yes' on "amount ok?" but i know others have been caught and fired from meat dept for example.

most employees will have someone else ring up their order or ask someone going on break to buy them something after giving them money.

it annoys me to watch people i know who aren't on break buy food or snack at a register but if i say something they throw a tantrum. now if i know you haven't been on break yet and you're basically trapped there because of call outs and whatever but, come on, if it's a four hour shift, you got your break, deal with it.

Date: Dec 16, 2013

FU11307 wrote:
Uh, but we don't know what contract we're talking about here. As long as they don't work them over 40 hours, they very may well be within their right to not give them overtime.

exactly. under my contract you could be worked every day forever as long as you don't go over 40 hours and no shfit is over 9 hours long.

SCO · Senior Member

Overtime is negotiated between the union & the company and is also stipulated by law...

Law states that for non-exempt employees (not salaried, not IT, not executive, hourly) you are to be paid overtime, which is time and 1/2, for time you work after 40 hours in 1 week.

At Kroger, the only reason people get overtime for working over 8 hours in 1 day or for working on a 6th day is because it was negotiated with their contract through the union. New contracts (I think anything after 2004?) don't have 6th day overtime pay.

In an extreme example, an employer "could" technically work you 40 hours in 2 days and not have to pay you a minute of overtime because you didn't work over 40 hours (although this would probably never happen, again just an extreme example)

Kroger is following the law and even going beyond it by agreeing with the union to give employees overtime after 8 hours.

tldr; Kroger isn't a thief for not paying you OT for working you 6 or 7 days. Annoying, yes, but not a thief.

Date: Dec 16, 2013

Don't let the old man up stairs fool you your going too get your over time... They owe you over time whenever you work more than 9 hours in a day or if you work more than 40 hours for the week.

The front end has been loosing people because of the FE supervisor not theft.

Pizza1029 · Guru

FU11307 wrote:
Pizza1029 wrote:
The issue is not the thieves, it's Kroger not paying overtime. In which THEY would be thieves.

-- Edited by Pizza1029 on Monday 16th of December 2013 03:02:42 PM
Uh, but we don't know what contract we're talking about here. As long as they don't work them over 40 hours, they very may well be within their right to not give them overtime.
Anyhow, unless OP can prove it to the contrary, he or she is the wrong here. It's not okay to steal, and if it's not overtime, take it up with the crappy union.

True. Sorry, I didn't think of it this way. 40+ hours is federal overtime, not necessarily the number of days worked; although some union contracts read otherwise.

I was generally speaking of how this turned into a topic about stealing when the OP's concern was the denial of overtime. :)

4hourrush · Guru

Anonymous wrote:
Don't let the old man up stairs fool you your going too get your over time... They owe you over time whenever you work more than 9 hours in a day or if you work more than 40 hours for the week.
The front end has been loosing people because of the FE supervisor not theft.

Not true here, I had a coworker of mine once work 13 hours because someone got fired (that girl really had some problems) and she thought she was going to get OT.

Paycheck comes, she didn't get OT, she was pissed. She asked HR about it, and they said since she was under 40 hrs it wasn't OT.... lets just say she won't be agreeing to do that ever again. Not that I blame her, I don't think I'd have wanted to do it either.

VWguy90 · Veteran Member

At my store anything over 9 hours in one shift is considered overtime. It doesn't matter if you have 40 hours scheduled for the week or 16.

Also 5 days is the maximum we can work in one week. A sixth day is considered overtime.

And if we have less than 10 hours between scheduled shifts, it is considered overtime.

I worked 5:00am - 2:00pm on Halloween doing morning Accounting for the Front End. Then our Floor Supervisor was in a car accident and couldn't come in for her shift. So I worked 5:00pm - 10:00pm (NOBODY else could replace her), and I got 5 hours of overtime that day. It was awesome.

-- Edited by VWguy90 on Monday 16th of December 2013 11:32:05 PM

-- Edited by VWguy90 on Monday 16th of December 2013 11:32:18 PM

Date: Dec 17, 2013

4hourrush wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Don't let the old man up stairs fool you your going too get your over time... They owe you over time whenever you work more than 9 hours in a day or if you work more than 40 hours for the week.
The front end has been loosing people because of the FE supervisor not theft.

Not true here, I had a coworker of mine once work 13 hours because someone got fired (that girl really had some problems) and she thought she was going to get OT.
Paycheck comes, she didn't get OT, she was pissed. She asked HR about it, and they said since she was under 40 hrs it wasn't OT.... lets just say she won't be agreeing to do that ever again. Not that I blame her, I don't think I'd have wanted to do it either.

depends on the contract. what Anonymous said is true for local 1996 atl division. but the contract also says 40 hours to be worked over 5 days but they'll do 6 day scheduling. ofc the contract says lots of things that don't happen in reality. and there's no teeth to the provisions.

SCO · Senior Member

my contract is OT for anything after 8 hours in 1 day and 40 hours in 1 week. if there are less than 8 hrs between your 2 shifts then you get paid double time the time worked up until it is 8 hours between shifts, then its straight pay. i dont have 6th day ot in my contract ;(

4hourrush · Guru

I guess we're getting screwed in 75 then, because you only get OT if you're over 40 hours. And there's no 6th day for Part timers either.

Date: May 4, 2014

holy ****. a lot of teenagers at my store (351) got fired for stealing gum and ****.

mega-kitteh · Guru

Anonymous wrote:
Store 440 just brought down a massive hammer against stealing. All in one day they fired about 10-15 just from the front end. The fired people had stolen really anything, and I understand they have to fire people they catch, but do they really sit up there all day and just watch every employee? Also, since they fired so many people, they need the remainder of us employees who had not stolen anything to pick up their shifts. But they are saying that even if we work 6 or 7 days, they will not pay us overtime? I don't see how they are legally aloud to ask us to work 7 days and not pay us overtime... Especially since they did this to themselves by firing a lot of the front end in just one day...

Store 440: wanna work OT Mega? We need help

Me: will I get OT?

store 440: No.

Me: see ya. *walks out door*

Date: May 4, 2014

way to ghostbump a half year old thread. glad you two had something to contribute

NutritionWhore · Guru

Tomato wrote:
way to ghostbump a half year old thread. glad you two had something to contribute

And now I have to intervene to police your ass for policing them.

Go back to your vine, 4664.

Or should I say... 94799.

Date: May 4, 2014

NutritionWhore wrote:
Tomato wrote:
way to ghostbump a half year old thread. glad you two had something to contribute
And now I have to intervene to police your ass for policing them.

Go back to your vine, 4664.

Or should I say... 94799.

what is 94799? i know that you like to take those 4011s and 4062s especially the 4593s in your ass

NutritionWhore · Guru

Tomato wrote:
NutritionWhore wrote:
Tomato wrote:
way to ghostbump a half year old thread. glad you two had something to contribute
And now I have to intervene to police your ass for policing them.

Go back to your vine, 4664.

Or should I say... 94799.
what is 94799? i know that you like to take those 4011s and 4062s especially the 4593s in your ass

Oh my. You're still talking? Who let you out of your den? Back into the baler you go. Shoo. This place is only for normal people. That automatically disqualifies you by a long shot.

Five bucks says you'll conjure up some asswipe remark that has no value or meaning at all.

4hourrush · Guru

I wish I knew produce codes so I knew what you guys were talking about. :P

NutritionWhore · Guru

4hourrush wrote:
I wish I knew produce codes so I knew what you guys were talking about. :P

Don't worry, obviously that feisty little Anon don't know 'em, too.

4hourrush · Guru

quizlet.com/17254879/kroger-plu-codes-flash-cards/

Lol at there actually being quizzes online for Kroger PLU's.

But damn, the 4593 one isn't listed on there.

-- Edited by 4hourrush on Sunday 4th of May 2014 10:14:16 PM

NutritionWhore · Guru

4hourrush wrote:
quizlet.com/17254879/kroger-plu-codes-flash-cards/

Lol at there actually being quizzes online for Kroger PLU's.
But damn, the 4593 one isn't listed on there.

-- Edited by 4hourrush on Sunday 4th of May 2014 10:14:16 PM

That "quiz" needs to indicate that there are other PLU's for the same item.

For example, we get three different kinds of "Yellow Onions" in the store. Their pricing can vary wildly from being $.50/lb to a whopping $.99/pound. Not to mention that not putting in the proper PLU might result in a regular price instead of a sale price.

Date: Jul 25, 2014

4hourrush wrote:
I wish I knew produce codes so I knew what you guys were talking about. :P

4011 = Banana

4062 = Cucumber

FrontEndSlave · Guru

Anonymous wrote:
The worst thing you can do to an employer is steal. Especially in retail. The profit margins are small.

Kroger makes so much money each day that Scrooge McDuck vacations in the produce section.

Date: Jul 25, 2014

FrontEndSlave wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
The worst thing you can do to an employer is steal. Especially in retail. The profit margins are small.

Kroger makes so much money each day that Scrooge McDuck vacations in the produce section.

What the hell XD