Well, it looks like after 32 years, my employment at Kroger will be coming to an end. That's the deadline for employees to be fully vaccinated. I will not be blackmailed into getting a vaccine that fails after just a few months, has caused more adverse reactions than all other vaccines combined in a 15 year period, and doesn't prevent you from catching or spreading the virus. The whole Biden administration is just pure evil.
Are you going to work at all then? Well, I guess you can, but at a small business/company with less then 100 employees........
Other then ....."you just don't want to get the vaccine" what is your reason to not get the vaccine? I'm completely fine with anyone's decision, but remember you make your own bed.
There's also the weekly test. Looks like I might be doing that. Weighing the risks, I'll take my chances with possibly getting sick from covid over possibly suffering serious heart problems from the vax.
Are you going to work at all then? Well, I guess you can, but at a small business/company with less then 100 employees........
Other then ....."you just don't want to get the vaccine" what is your reason to not get the vaccine? I'm completely fine with anyone's decision, but remember you make your own bed.
1. The fatality rate of the virus is less than 2%. The hospitalization rate is around 5%. I looked at my state's figures
2. The overwhelming majority of the people who are hospitalized have underlying conditions: obesity, diabetes, immune system problems, breathing problems, heart problems, old age etc.
3. Overall, the survival rate for the general population is over 99.9%.
That explains one reason why I'm choosing not to get the virus. The other reason is the people in charge are hypocritical liars. There are effective treatments that can be used to combat the virus, but they're not being used. Why? Because they're cheaper than the vaccine that's being shoved down our throats. The Administration, Dr. Fauci, the CDC and FDA, the pharmaceutical companies, and the media are all working together to line their pockets. I'm sure you've seen the video of all the newscasts that are, "brought to you by Pfizer." There's also several instances, and I wish I had kept track of them, of people who work in one government agency having relatives working for or having stock in one of the major pharmaceutical companies. All they care about is the money. It's rules for thee but not for me. In a recent press conference, the head of the CDC refused to the answer the question of what is the percentage of the people in the CDC who are vaccinated. She kept dancing around the answer saying such things as, "I don't have the exact figures." or "We're following the guidelines." but she never gave a direct answer. You're the head of the CDC and you're telling me you don't know approximately the percentage of people in the CDC who are vaccinated? When they refuse to answer a direct question and deny, dismiss, or deflect, you know they're lying.
I don't read any conspiracy theories on social media sites. So the following is simply my opinion from what I've observed over the past year and a half, but I don't believe this "pandemic" was an accident or a freak of nature.
Are you going to work at all then? Well, I guess you can, but at a small business/company with less then 100 employees........
Other then ....."you just don't want to get the vaccine" what is your reason to not get the vaccine? I'm completely fine with anyone's decision, but remember you make your own bed.
1. The fatality rate of the virus is less than 2%. The hospitalization rate is around 5%. I looked at my state's figures 2. The overwhelming majority of the people who are hospitalized have underlying conditions: obesity, diabetes, immune system problems, breathing problems, heart problems, old age etc. 3. Overall, the survival rate for the general population is over 99.9%. That explains one reason why I'm choosing not to get the virus. The other reason is the people in charge are hypocritical liars. There are effective treatments that can be used to combat the virus, but they're not being used. Why? Because they're cheaper than the vaccine that's being shoved down our throats. The Administration, Dr. Fauci, the CDC and FDA, the pharmaceutical companies, and the media are all working together to line their pockets. I'm sure you've seen the video of all the newscasts that are, "brought to you by Pfizer." There's also several instances, and I wish I had kept track of them, of people who work in one government agency having relatives working for or having stock in one of the major pharmaceutical companies. All they care about is the money. It's rules for thee but not for me. In a recent press conference, the head of the CDC refused to the answer the question of what is the percentage of the people in the CDC who are vaccinated. She kept dancing around the answer saying such things as, "I don't have the exact figures." or "We're following the guidelines." but she never gave a direct answer. You're the head of the CDC and you're telling me you don't know approximately the percentage of people in the CDC who are vaccinated? When they refuse to answer a direct question and deny, dismiss, or deflect, you know they're lying. I don't read any conspiracy theories on social media sites. So the following is simply my opinion from what I've observed over the past year and a half, but I don't believe this "pandemic" was an accident or a freak of nature.
Okay, something is wrong with the way my posts are showing up. I'm putting in spacing and making separate paragraphs, but everything is being run together when I submit it.
Are you going to work at all then? Well, I guess you can, but at a small business/company with less then 100 employees........
Other then ....."you just don't want to get the vaccine" what is your reason to not get the vaccine? I'm completely fine with anyone's decision, but remember you make your own bed.
1. The fatality rate of the virus is less than 2%. The hospitalization rate is around 5%. I looked at my state's figures 2. The overwhelming majority of the people who are hospitalized have underlying conditions: obesity, diabetes, immune system problems, breathing problems, heart problems, old age etc. 3. Overall, the survival rate for the general population is over 99.9%. That explains one reason why I'm choosing not to get the virus. The other reason is the people in charge are hypocritical liars. There are effective treatments that can be used to combat the virus, but they're not being used. Why? Because they're cheaper than the vaccine that's being shoved down our throats. The Administration, Dr. Fauci, the CDC and FDA, the pharmaceutical companies, and the media are all working together to line their pockets. I'm sure you've seen the video of all the newscasts that are, "brought to you by Pfizer." There's also several instances, and I wish I had kept track of them, of people who work in one government agency having relatives working for or having stock in one of the major pharmaceutical companies. All they care about is the money. It's rules for thee but not for me. In a recent press conference, the head of the CDC refused to the answer the question of what is the percentage of the people in the CDC who are vaccinated. She kept dancing around the answer saying such things as, "I don't have the exact figures." or "We're following the guidelines." but she never gave a direct answer. You're the head of the CDC and you're telling me you don't know approximately the percentage of people in the CDC who are vaccinated? When they refuse to answer a direct question and deny, dismiss, or deflect, you know they're lying. I don't read any conspiracy theories on social media sites. So the following is simply my opinion from what I've observed over the past year and a half, but I don't believe this "pandemic" was an accident or a freak of nature.
Ok, well I guess you have all the figure and facts you need then. Going forwards, please remember to use the same judgement with any new medication that or medical treatments. Would this same confusion been made with any other vaccine or drug... NOPE. While the COVID vaccine might be new, they use the same principles and have studies of other similar medications.
I wish you well at your new job, are you going to say through the holidays?
You're 100% within your rights to refuse to accept preventative medication but there is precedent for vaccine mandates in the past and any employer can terminate you if you do not meet their guidelines for employment. You knew the conciquences to your actions yet refuse to do the bare minimum. It's your choice and is in no case "blackmail".
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Would you like fries with th... I mean, your milk in a bag?
Are you going to work at all then? Well, I guess you can, but at a small business/company with less then 100 employees........
Other then ....."you just don't want to get the vaccine" what is your reason to not get the vaccine? I'm completely fine with anyone's decision, but remember you make your own bed.
1. The fatality rate of the virus is less than 2%. The hospitalization rate is around 5%. I looked at my state's figures 2. The overwhelming majority of the people who are hospitalized have underlying conditions: obesity, diabetes, immune system problems, breathing problems, heart problems, old age etc. 3. Overall, the survival rate for the general population is over 99.9%. That explains one reason why I'm choosing not to get the virus. The other reason is the people in charge are hypocritical liars. There are effective treatments that can be used to combat the virus, but they're not being used. Why? Because they're cheaper than the vaccine that's being shoved down our throats. The Administration, Dr. Fauci, the CDC and FDA, the pharmaceutical companies, and the media are all working together to line their pockets. I'm sure you've seen the video of all the newscasts that are, "brought to you by Pfizer." There's also several instances, and I wish I had kept track of them, of people who work in one government agency having relatives working for or having stock in one of the major pharmaceutical companies. All they care about is the money. It's rules for thee but not for me. In a recent press conference, the head of the CDC refused to the answer the question of what is the percentage of the people in the CDC who are vaccinated. She kept dancing around the answer saying such things as, "I don't have the exact figures." or "We're following the guidelines." but she never gave a direct answer. You're the head of the CDC and you're telling me you don't know approximately the percentage of people in the CDC who are vaccinated? When they refuse to answer a direct question and deny, dismiss, or deflect, you know they're lying. I don't read any conspiracy theories on social media sites. So the following is simply my opinion from what I've observed over the past year and a half, but I don't believe this "pandemic" was an accident or a freak of nature.
Ok, well I guess you have all the figure and facts you need then. Going forwards, please remember to use the same judgement with any new medication that or medical treatments. Would this same confusion been made with any other vaccine or drug... NOPE. While the COVID vaccine might be new, they use the same principles and have studies of other similar medications.
I wish you well at your new job, are you going to say through the holidays?
Other vaccines and medicines in the past have taken several years to reach FDA approval. They can say they did all the testing necessary but results from a lab or a computer simulation cannot duplicate real world and real time results. So far I think there's 21 states that are filing lawsuits to fight it. The mandate is unconstitutional. The 10th Amendment is going to play an important role in the fight.
There is one bit of hope. If the rule doesn't get overturned and testing is not offered as an option, I can take a personal leave of absence for up to 90 days. The only thing is it's unpaid and I can't use the time to seek employment elsewhere.
Do you know how OSHA is planning on enforcing the rule? They want employees working at affected businesses to be tattletales. I believe I read the term they used was watchdogs, but what they really mean is tattletales. Have we really sunk that low?
Well, it looks like after 32 years, my employment at Kroger will be coming to an end. That's the deadline for employees to be fully vaccinated. I will not be blackmailed into getting a vaccine that fails after just a few months, has caused more adverse reactions than all other vaccines combined in a 15 year period, and doesn't prevent you from catching or spreading the virus. The whole Biden administration is just pure evil.
That's great you are leaving. With that many years you may be able to retire get your 401k and not be panelized. It might depend on your age and maybe Kroger will not be slow about the process.
Just another question. Have you ever got the flu shot? It is once a year but I see your point the Covid Shot is like 6 months.
Good Luck
-- Edited by i386 on Friday 5th of November 2021 05:58:36 AM
there is no covid vaccine. what you call a covid vaccine is a S1 spike protein gene therapy. They have been working on this for 22 years it ain't new at all.
The NNTV or number needed to treat to prevent one death Is the worst in the world in the history of vaccinations. And even worse in children, the NNTV is infinite, you could vaccinate every child age 5 to 11 in the U.S. and not prevent a single hospitalization, ICU admission, or death from coronavirus according to Pfizers own clinical trial data as submitted to the FDA.
The mRNA shots has had disastrous results on laboratory test-animals for decades. Injecting RNA into the body to force the body to make SARS-CoV spike proteins, is itself very harmful. When our immune system detects the presence of the SARS-CoV spike protein, it attacks it with antibodies and lymphocytes. This causes cell death and other complications. Worse, the spike protein itself is toxic to cells. Among other things, it can cause bleeding and clotting throughout the body. In a very ugly twist, the spike protein is engineered in such a way that it especially attacks the testes and ovaries, potentially causing hormonal irregularities and sterility. The jab is very dangerous in multiple ways and in no way should it be considered a vaccine.
If you trust the governments numbers ask yourself why have we had more covid 'deaths' in 2021 then in 2020 when this 'vacine has been available most of the year?
there is no covid vaccine. what you call a covid vaccine is a S1 spike protein gene therapy. They have been working on this for 22 years it ain't new at all.
The NNTV or number needed to treat to prevent one death Is the worst in the world in the history of vaccinations. And even worse in children, the NNTV is infinite, you could vaccinate every child age 5 to 11 in the U.S. and not prevent a single hospitalization, ICU admission, or death from coronavirus according to Pfizers own clinical trial data as submitted to the FDA.
The mRNA shots has had disastrous results on laboratory test-animals for decades. Injecting RNA into the body to force the body to make SARS-CoV spike proteins, is itself very harmful. When our immune system detects the presence of the SARS-CoV spike protein, it attacks it with antibodies and lymphocytes. This causes cell death and other complications. Worse, the spike protein itself is toxic to cells. Among other things, it can cause bleeding and clotting throughout the body. In a very ugly twist, the spike protein is engineered in such a way that it especially attacks the testes and ovaries, potentially causing hormonal irregularities and sterility. The jab is very dangerous in multiple ways and in no way should it be considered a vaccine.
If you trust the governments numbers ask yourself why have we had more covid 'deaths' in 2021 then in 2020 when this 'vacine has been available most of the year?
Well, according to Biden and others like him, it's the unvaccinated. It's funny that some of the places that are the most vaccinated have the highest rate of Covid cases. They make these statements but where is the proof? If you're going to make such a statement, you need to show me proof that you did several clinical trials with both a control group and an experimental group and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Covid spread was caused only by unvaccinated individuals and not some other variable. So far they haven't done that.
We truely live in a society. To the OP, good luck in your future endeavors, I suppose. Just don't be a burden on the rest of us who've decided we would rather continue working.
If Papa Rump was still in office and this was still happening, would you call him a tyrant? The President doesn't make the call on things like this alone. Take a bit and cool down, lad.
Well, it looks like after 32 years, my employment at Kroger will be coming to an end. That's the deadline for employees to be fully vaccinated. I will not be blackmailed into getting a vaccine that fails after just a few months, has caused more adverse reactions than all other vaccines combined in a 15 year period, and doesn't prevent you from catching or spreading the virus. The whole Biden administration is just pure evil.
Where did you get this info of a mandate? I would like proof.
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My Views and Opinions do not reflect that of the Kroger company. I'm an indivdual expressing my 1st amendment right.
Well, it looks like after 32 years, my employment at Kroger will be coming to an end. That's the deadline for employees to be fully vaccinated. I will not be blackmailed into getting a vaccine that fails after just a few months, has caused more adverse reactions than all other vaccines combined in a 15 year period, and doesn't prevent you from catching or spreading the virus. The whole Biden administration is just pure evil.
Where did you get this info of a mandate? I would like proof.
This shot is not a vaccine. It does not protect or prevent you from getting covid. It doesn't prevent the spread of covid. Lessens symptoms we're told. Wear a mask. Get the vaccine no mask. Vaccinated? Wear a mask. Or two masks.
Two shots not enough now they say a booster every 6 months. Are they making it up as they go?
Well, it looks like after 32 years, my employment at Kroger will be coming to an end. That's the deadline for employees to be fully vaccinated. I will not be blackmailed into getting a vaccine that fails after just a few months, has caused more adverse reactions than all other vaccines combined in a 15 year period, and doesn't prevent you from catching or spreading the virus. The whole Biden administration is just pure evil.
Where did you get this info of a mandate? I would like proof.
How do you NOT know about this? Just do a search for vaccine mandate. Any company with 100 or more employees will be required by OSHA to have their employees either vaccinate or test weekly, and according to a local newspaper article the employer is not required to cover costs of testing. What I'm wondering is if employer-provided health insurance will drop coverage for those tests, or if that's more of a concern for companies who don't offer health insurance but were still covering tests and vaccines; the tests have to be paid for, after all. But there are still a couple of months, it's possible that this can be overruled. A large majority of the country is against this mandate.
There's so much contradiction surrounding this vaccine, I don't understand how thinking humans could even let a mandate come to pass. The stupidity of overhearing coworkers say "he got covid?! but he had the vaccine!" blows my mind. I really hope most of the general public is not that ignorant. This country has 90% of its population on their way to full vaccination; we passed Fauci's original "herd immunity" threshold a long time ago. Florida has absolutely no mandates on masks or vaccines, and yet their case and death counts are both the lowest in the country right now. Other highly-vaccinated countries were still experiencing record outbreaks these last few months. How is it not suspicious that unlike much of the rest of the world, our government refuses to acknowledge natural immunity and how it's at least as good as the vaccine itself? Fauci was asked directly about natural immunity - our nation's supposed leader in all things health related, someone even most of the world have been looking to during this pandemic - and all he had to say was "I don't have an answer for you." Even after the original admission of "we were trying to save masks for the hospital workers," he continued to flip-flop on whether any masks but N95s did ANYTHING to protect you from spread. It smells to me like an awful lot of people have an awful lot to gain (*cough*money*cough) from everyone just doing as they're told.
I do wonder how unionized companies like Kroger are going to handle this because the mandate is against the company, not the employees. That's the dirty trick they used to push this through. I've seen prices for testing ranging anywhere from free to several hundred dollars. If it's ten dollars or less each time, I'll do the testing. Otherwise, they can just suspend me until all this blows over.
Not all stores are unionized, though. I'm in northern Colorado, and everything north of a certain street in Denver, up to the one King Soopers in Wyoming, is non-union; most of the store anyway, our meat/seafood and deli departments are union.
I know a lot of people who got covid and died. I should be more clear. People I now that got the vaccine survived.
How many of those people you say died from Covid fall into one or more of the following categories?
They were obese.
They were elderly
They were immuno-compromised by such things as chemotherapy or anti-rejection medication.
They had diabetes.
They had chronic cardiac or pulmonary issues.
There's just something off about the way they've been pushing vaccine vaccine vaccine from day one and ignoring or downright rejecting all other forms of treatment. I do not trust any of them. The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals temporarily put a halt to the mandate so it can be reviewed as far as being Constitutional. What does the Biden administration do? They tell businesses to ignore the court ruling. Part of the Oath of Office is saying you're going to "...preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States." Biden and his team aren't doing that. In fact, they're doing just the opposite. The whole mess of them need to be thrown out.
There's also the weekly test. Looks like I might be doing that. Weighing the risks, I'll take my chances with possibly getting sick from covid over possibly suffering serious heart problems from the vax.
Well, I'll take the vaccine, thank you very much, since I had heart trouble DUE TO THE COVID ITSELF, as well as a lot of other issues...Believe me, I got both shots of the Pfizer, will be getting my booster, and will take any other added precautions...If you think taking your chances with the COVID is the better route, I'm here to tell you that it's NOT! You want to find out the hard way??? Just keep thinking it won't affect you and badly...I know what sickness is like, having had to endure lots of it as a kid...This COVID, however, is NO joke!
Your choice, though...
Just think, parents were waiting in long lines to get their kids vaccinated against polio in the 50's...Now, with social media and all kinds of rampant misinformation, everyone thinks they're a bigger expert than the scientists and epidemiologists...Oh, how far we've come!!!
You're 100% within your rights to refuse to accept preventative medication but there is precedent for vaccine mandates in the past and any employer can terminate you if you do not meet their guidelines for employment. You knew the conciquences to your actions yet refuse to do the bare minimum. It's your choice and is in no case "blackmail".
Hey Bag Boy...Go back to 1905...The Jacobson vs. Massachusetts case...
You talk of mandate precedents...Well, that's one right there straight out of the history books! From over 100 years ago!!! And no, Jacobson DIDN'T win the lawsuit...
There's also the weekly test. Looks like I might be doing that. Weighing the risks, I'll take my chances with possibly getting sick from covid over possibly suffering serious heart problems from the vax.
Well, I'll take the vaccine, thank you very much, since I had heart trouble DUE TO THE COVID ITSELF, as well as a lot of other issues...Believe me, I got both shots of the Pfizer, will be getting my booster, and will take any other added precautions...If you think taking your chances with the COVID is the better route, I'm here to tell you that it's NOT! You want to find out the hard way??? Just keep thinking it won't affect you and badly...I know what sickness is like, having had to endure lots of it as a kid...This COVID, however, is NO joke!
Your choice, though...
Just think, parents were waiting in long lines to get their kids vaccinated against polio in the 50's...Now, with social media and all kinds of rampant misinformation, everyone thinks they're a bigger expert than the scientists and epidemiologists...Oh, how far we've come!!!
Consider this: we are not you! "Endured lots of sickness as a kid" sounds like you're in the group of those with co-morbidities, so if I were you I'd have gotten the vax as well. But I've never been too prone to germ-related sickness, myself. The overwhelming majority of people who get covid experience little to no symptoms. I've been around too many people who got it and experienced a 'bad flu' at worst. I've yet to be tested this whole time, but I also haven't worn a mask in several months (perks of being on night crew: no one cares at night, and management's not in while I am), despite the bug spreading among multiple coworkers. I've had no symptoms yet beyond an occasional stuffy nose (seemed to last all spring and summer this year; maybe I've just developed allergies), but I find it hard to believe I haven't gotten it yet considering our job. If this mandate goes into effect, I'll probably get an antibody test beforehand, while it's still free.
You're 100% within your rights to refuse to accept preventative medication but there is precedent for vaccine mandates in the past and any employer can terminate you if you do not meet their guidelines for employment. You knew the conciquences to your actions yet refuse to do the bare minimum. It's your choice and is in no case "blackmail".
Hey Bag Boy...Go back to 1905...The Jacobson vs. Massachusetts case...
You talk of mandate precedents...Well, that's one right there straight out of the history books! From over 100 years ago!!! And no, Jacobson DIDN'T win the lawsuit...
Yes, wikipedia. The place that's surely a proper source on everything ever. Let me edit that article real quick to say that you're a doo-doo head.
Us arguing about it on this forum is completely pointless. I got the vaccine because I would rather not die from a virus. You, presumably, didn't get the vaccine and now cry about your employer maybe, some day, requiring it as part of your employment. That is up to them. Get an exemption or go work somewhere else. That's up to you. Your choice.
Either way I don't care. I'm surprised that the mods don't close idiotic topics like this.
-- Edited by BagBoy on Thursday 11th of November 2021 03:04:16 AM
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Would you like fries with th... I mean, your milk in a bag?
There's also the weekly test. Looks like I might be doing that. Weighing the risks, I'll take my chances with possibly getting sick from covid over possibly suffering serious heart problems from the vax.
Well, I'll take the vaccine, thank you very much, since I had heart trouble DUE TO THE COVID ITSELF, as well as a lot of other issues...Believe me, I got both shots of the Pfizer, will be getting my booster, and will take any other added precautions...If you think taking your chances with the COVID is the better route, I'm here to tell you that it's NOT! You want to find out the hard way??? Just keep thinking it won't affect you and badly...I know what sickness is like, having had to endure lots of it as a kid...This COVID, however, is NO joke!
Your choice, though...
Just think, parents were waiting in long lines to get their kids vaccinated against polio in the 50's...Now, with social media and all kinds of rampant misinformation, everyone thinks they're a bigger expert than the scientists and epidemiologists...Oh, how far we've come!!!
Back then you could trust the doctors and the scientists. Now it's all about the money and the power. Since Covid is caused by the same type of virus that causes the common cold, they know darn well that there is no vaccine that can completely eradicate it. It's going to be booster shots twice a year from now on. People are going to become vaccine dependent. The pharmaceutical companies and the people who have stock in them (that includes some of our government officials) are going to make millions off of this. That is the epitome of pure evil.